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I wanted to work this problem 2 different ways, but am getting 2 different answers. Can you assist in helping me understand why method 2 doesn't work?

Note: There are 16 letters and 2 E's and 3 B's.

Method 1: Prob of getting an E on the first draw + Prob getting a B on the second draw - minus the prob of getting EC (overlap).

$2/16 + 3/15 - (2/16 \cdot3/15) =3/10$ correct answer!

Method 2: Prob of getting and E on the first draw and NOT a B on the second, PLUS Prob of getting NOT E on the first draw and a B on the second, PLUS Prob of getting an EB. Add together all the possibilities.

Prob of E on first and NOT B on second = $2/16 \cdot13/15=26/240$
Prob of NOT E on first and B on second = $14/16 \cdot3/15 = 42/240$
Prob of E on first and B on Second = $2/16 \cdot3/15 = 6/240 $

This Method 2 does not produce the $3/10$ answer. I don't understand why not.

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The probability of E on first and not B on second is $\frac{2}{16}*\frac{\color{red}{12}}{15}$

So adding them all up you do once again get $\frac{72}{240}=\frac{3}{10}$

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The answer $\frac{3}{10}$ is NOT correct!

The probability of getting a B on the second draw depends on whether you get a B on the first draw or not: if you get a B on the first draw, then the probability of getting a B on the second is only $\frac{2}{15}$.

So, the probability of getting a B on the second draw is $P(B \: first)*\frac{2}{15}+P(not \: B \: first)*\frac{3}{15}=\frac{3}{16}*\frac{2}{15}+\frac{13}{16}*\frac{3}{15} = \frac{45}{240}$

Hence, using your first method, you get that E on first or B on second is $\frac{2}{16} + \frac{45}{240} - \frac{6}{240} = \frac{69}{240}=\frac{23}{80}$

Using your second method, you get that the probability of not gettin a E first but getting second needs to be changed as well, because the not E on first means you can get a B first .. Or something other than E or B first.

So, the probability of getting not E first and B second is $\frac{3}{16}*\frac{2}{15}+\frac{11}{16}*\frac{3}{15}=\frac{39}{240}$

So adding all three probabilities in the second method you get $\frac{24}{240}+\frac{39}{240}+\frac{6}{240}=\frac{69}{240}=\frac{23}{80}$

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    I totally didn't see that until you pointed it out. Thank you.2017-02-25
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    @user163862 No problem .... Unfortunately, the correct answer is in fact *not* $\frac{3}{10}$ at all! In my updated answer I show how both methods need to be updated ... and both methods reach the answer of $\frac{23}{80}$ ... Which I notice is not one of the options provided ... I think the book or wherever you got this problem from has this wrong!2017-02-25
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    Amazingly, the book is from online AND my study guide has the SAME problem and also lists 3/10 as the answer. Thank you so VERY much for taking the time to work this out using both methods. I will sit and study this.2017-02-25
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If the first letter is not an E, it may be a B, in which case in the second draw the probability of drawing a B is reduced to $2/15$. So, one needs to distinguish three disjoint events that amount to success:

  • The first letter drawn is an E.
  • The two letters are both Bs.
  • The first letter is neither E nor B, and the second letter is a B.

Adding the probabilities, we get:

$$ \frac{2}{16} + \frac{3}{16} \cdot \frac{2}{15} + \frac{11}{16}\cdot \frac{3}{15} = \frac{23}{80} \enspace. $$

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    Yup! I came to the same conclusion!2017-02-25
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    Only today, this is the second elementary probability problem from some "textbook" with the wrong answer I find here on SE!2017-02-25
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    Really? What was the other one?2017-02-25
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    [This one](http://math.stackexchange.com/q/2161092/123852).2017-02-25
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    Not ONLY that, but the study guide has yet a third answer for this same problem and it also is not $23/80$. This site is a real life-saver since I know I will get the correct answers AND a reason and explanation of why.! Thank you tremendously.2017-02-25
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    @user163862 You're welcome! :)2017-02-25
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    @user163862 Only now I realize it's you who asked both questions! Small world... and of course, you're welcome.2017-02-25
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    @FabioSomenzi Yes, that other problem was pretty bad as well! Same textbook?!2017-02-26