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I have this permutation in $S_9$:

$\sigma = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 9 \\ 1 & 8 & 7 & 6 & 9 & 4 & 2 & 3 & 5\end{pmatrix}$

I have obtained it as product of disjoint cyclics:
$(2837)(46)(59)$

I have found that each of them generate a subgroup:

$\left \langle (2837) \right \rangle = \left \{ (2837), (23)(78), (2738), (1) \right \} \\ \left \langle (46) \right \rangle = \left \{ (46), (1) \right \} \\ \left \langle (59) \right \rangle = \left \{ (59), (1) \right \}$

if it is correct, the order of $(2837)(46)(59)$ would be the $lcm$ between the orders of the subgroups of the above, hence $lcm(4,2,2) = 4$.

What I ask is: how can I obtain all the elements in $\left \langle (2837)(46)(59) \right \rangle$, once I have already been calculated the elements in the subgroups of the above?

I have tried to make a product between the elements $\left \langle (2837) \right \rangle \times \left \langle(46) \right \rangle \times \left \langle(59) \right \rangle = \left \{ (59)(46)(2837), (59)(46)(23)(78), \ldots \right \}$,
but it seems that it is not the corrrect way because I obtain more than $4$ elements of the order of $\left \langle (2837)(46)(59) \right \rangle$ calculated above through $lcm$.

Please, can you tell me what can I do? Thanks!

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Using the $\times$ sign in group theory means a direct product, which is by no means related to the thing you're talking about. I guess you meant to write:

$$\langle (2837) \rangle\langle (46) \rangle\langle (59) \rangle = \{abc |a \in \langle (2837) \rangle, b \in \langle (46) \rangle, c \in \langle (59) \rangle\}$$

Unfortunately this isn't the way to go. In $\langle (2837)(46)(59) \rangle$ the elements are of the type $(2837)^k(46)^k(59)^k$, as cycles commute. On the otherside the elements in $\langle (2837) \rangle\langle (46) \rangle\langle (59) \rangle$ are of the type $(2837)^k(46)^m(59)^n$, where $k,m,n$ are not necessarily the same.

Anyway the best way to go is to calculate this by hand. In fact:

$$\langle(2837)(46)(59)\rangle = \{(2837)^0(46)^0(59)^0,(2837)^1(46)^1(59)^1, (2837)^2(46)^2(59)^2, (2837)^3(46)^3(59)^3\}$$

Now it's just a matter of calculation.

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    is it the same if the powers go from $1$ to $4$ and not from $0$ to $3$?2017-02-15
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    @JB-Franco Yeah. Infact you can do it with any consecutive $4$ numbers. This is because the generated group is cyclic.2017-02-15
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    the result is: $\left \langle (2837)(46)(59) \right \rangle = \left \{ (1), (2837)(46)(59), (23)(78), (2738)(46)(59) \right \}$. Exactly four elements.2017-02-15
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    and also, considering the product of transpositions, $(2837)(46)(59) = (27)(23)(28)(46)(59)$, the element $\sigma$ is odd. Is it true?2017-02-15
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    Yeah, you're right2017-02-15