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This is a question I've had a lot of trouble with. I HAVE solved it, however, with a lot of trouble and with an extremely ugly calculation. So I want to ask you guys (who are probably more 'mathematically-minded' so to say) how you would solve this. Keep in mind that you shouldn't use too advanced stuff, no differential equations or similair things learned in college:

Given are the functions $f_p(x) = \dfrac{9\sqrt{x^2+p}}{x^2+2}$. The line $k$ with a slope of 2,5 touches $f_p$ in $A$ with $x_A = -1$. Get the function of k algebraically.

  • I might have used wrong terminology, because English is not my native language, I will hopefully clear up doubts on what this problem is by showing what I did.

First off, I got $[f_p(x)]'$. This was EXTREMELY troublesome, and is the main reason why I found this problem challenging, because of all the steps. Can you guys show me the easiest and especially quickest way to get this derivative?

After that, I filled in $-1$ in the derivative and made the derivative equal to $2\dfrac{1}{2}$, this was also troublesome for me, I kept getting wrong answers for a while, again: Can you guys show me the easiest and especially quickest way to solve this?

After you get p it is pretty straightforward. I know this might sound like a weird question, but it basically boils down to: I need quicker and easier ways to do this. I don't want to make careless mistakes, but because the length of these types of question, it ALWAYS happens. Any tips or tricks regarding this topic in general would be much appreciated too.

Update: A bounty will go to the person with the most clear and concise way of solving this question!

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    I would take the derivative of the $\ln$ of $f_p$ and then use that $\ln' f_p(x) = f'_p(x)/f_p(x)$. However, I'm not sure if logs are already considered too advanced stuff?2012-10-27

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By "touches" I assume you mean that the line is tangent to the graph of $f_p$. You can try implicit differentiation. Start with $ y = \frac{9\sqrt{x^2 + p}}{x^2 + 2}. $ Multiply by $x^2 + 2$ to get $ y(x^2 + 2) = 9\sqrt{x^2 + p}. $ Squaring, you get $ y^2 (x^2 + 2)^2 = 81 (x^2 + p). $ Differentiate both sides implicitly by $x$: $ 2yy'(x^2 + 2)^2 + y^2 2 (x^2 + 2) 2x = 162x. $ Now, plug in all the data ($x = -1$, $y'(-1) = 2.5$) to get a quadratic equation for $y(-1) = y$: $ -12y^2 + 45y = -162. $ Solutions are $y = 6$ and $y = \frac{-9}{4}$, but notice your function is always positive, so $y(-1) = 6$ and the line is $2.5x + 8.5$.

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The point $A$ is $(x, \space f_p(x)) = \left(x, \space \dfrac{9\sqrt{x^2+p}}{x^2+2}\right)$ at $x = -1$ this gives $A = \left(-1, \space 3\sqrt{1+p}\right)$.

The line $k$ with a slope of $2.5$ touches $f_p$ in $A$ i.e passes through point $A$ then $k =mx+c$ where $m=2.5$ Then you substitute point $A$ in the equation to get the constant $c$, that is $3\sqrt{1+p} = 2.5 \times -1 + c \quad \Rightarrow \quad c= 3\sqrt{1+p}+2.5$ which implies that $k = 2.5x +3\sqrt{1+p}+2.5$

If by touch you meant tangent to $f_p$ then the only way to find the value of $p$ is to find the derivative of $f_p$.

Instead of using the quotient rule, one can also apply the product rule on $f_p(x) = 9(x^2+p)^{1/2}(x^2+2)^{-1}$ which gives

$\quad \quad \quad \cfrac {df_p}{dx} = 9 \left[ ((x^2 +p)^{1/2})' \cdot (x^2+2)^{-1} + (x^2 +p)^{1/2} \cdot ((x^2+2)^{-1})'\right ]$

$\quad \quad \quad \quad \quad = 9 \left[ x(x^2 +p)^{-1/2} \cdot (x^2+2)^{-1}\space -\space 2x (x^2 +p)^{1/2} \cdot (x^2+2)^{-2}\right ]$

Compute $f'_p(-1)$ easily as

$\quad \quad \quad =9 \left[ \left ((-1)((-1)^2 +p)^{-1/2} \cdot ((-1)^2+2)^{-1}\right ) + \left (-2(-1) ((-1)^2 +p)^{1/2} \cdot ((-1)^2+2)^{-2}\right)\right ]$

$\quad \quad \quad =9 \left[ -\cfrac 13(1 +p)^{-1/2}+\cfrac 29 (1 +p)^{1/2} \right ]$ $\quad =\quad-3(1 +p)^{-1/2}+2(1 +p)^{1/2} = 2.5$

Let $X = 1+p$, then $\cfrac {-3}{\sqrt X}+2\sqrt X = 2.5$. Solving this equation gives $X = 1+p = 4 \quad \Rightarrow \quad p =3$ and $k = 2.5x +8.5$

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    This certainly is elegant!2012-10-28
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I see that you're looking for something concise, but I think that you'll find this to be the most clear and failsafe.

I find that trying to simplify things as much as possible generally helps.

To start off, note what the problem is trying to ask. We have a fairly steep line, and it meets the function to the left of the $x$-axis. We want this line.

The Derivative

Now, we need the derivative. There's usually a fairly straightforward method to solving many of the questions that you'll come across, so let's see if we can simplify things... We have the equation:

$f_p(x)=9\frac{\sqrt{x^2+p}}{x^2+2}$

I note the "$x^2 + \text{something}$" term in both the numerator and denominator. We can use that as a good starting point, and break up the problem in pieces using this term as the basic building block:

$f_p(x)=9\cdot\left(\sqrt{x^2+p}\right)\cdot\frac{1}{x^2+2}$

This seems more managable to me. The key for derivatives, and later on calculus if you learn that, is trying to break things into more manageable pieces. We can pretty much ignore the 9 in the equation, so let's try to write this equation even more simply:

$\frac{1}{9}f_p(x)=\left(\sqrt{x^2+p}\right)\cdot\frac{1}{x^2+2}$

This fits into the product rule for derivatives:

$\frac{d}{dx}u\cdot v=u\frac{dv}{dx}+v\frac{du}{dx}$

Once again, we have:

$\frac{1}{9}f_p(x)=\underbrace{\left(\sqrt{x^2+p}\right)}_\bf{u} \underbrace{\cdot\frac{1}{x^2+2}}_\bf{v}$

So now to do this entire derivative, we really only have to calculate $du$ and $dv$. So:

$u = \sqrt{x^2+p} = (x^2+p)^{1/2}\implies du = 1/2(x^2+p)^{-1/2} \cdot 2x$ $v = \frac{1}{x^2+2} = (x^2 + 2)^{-1} \implies dv = -1(x^2 + 2)^{-2} \cdot 2x$

In the derivatives above, I used a dot to seperate out the pieces of the derivative again. It's really helpful when there are complicated equations involved. That little dot helps simplify things by breaking them up into pieces, so that the equations or wahtever become much more manageable. It can really help to cut down on mistakes by breaking things up into more manageable pieces.

Now that those pieces are done (and hopefully doublechecked) we can piece together the original derivative. At this time, we could take an additional step, and try to simplify the pieces:

$du = 1/2(x^2+p)^{-1/2} \cdot 2x = \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+p}}$

$dv = -1(x^2 + 2)^{-2} \cdot 2x = \frac{-x}{(x^2 + 2)^2}$

Remembering the product rule, we have:

$u\frac{dv}{dx} + v\frac{du}{dx} = \left(\sqrt{x^2+p}\frac{-x}{(x^2 + 2)^2}\right) + \left(\frac{1}{x^2+2} \frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+p}}\right)$

Do you remember the 9 that we factored out? We can now bring this back. Besides that, nothing else needs to be done with the derivative except to maybe simplify it.

The Equation for the Line

Closing Remarks I have found that even for simple questions/problems, and especially for complicated and tediuous questions/problems, that mathematics software really helps. I know that it may be hard to get, and that you may not be able to always use it, but it really helps to explore math. I've found that "playing" with math is a great way to learn and understand things. That and practice (with random/different problems) can make a big difference in math ability.

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    @Zafar: My major concern here would now probably be making sure that you piece everything together correctly. It's sometimes easy to overlook things like the 1/9 that was factored out in the beginning. But there are people here to help you and learn with you, so don't hesistate to ask if you would like to know more!2012-10-28